Fillychan

Didn't we already have a thread discussing possible rules? Could've just used that one.

>• Posters who make a very heartfelt "goodbye forever" thread, and then returns to Fillychan within a month after that, will be given a 2-month ban minimum. The more heartfelt and stuffed with emotions the thread was, the longer the ban.
See, setting a hard 1 month limit would just encourage anyone who's thinking of doing this to wait exactly 32 days. I'm not sure if this specific thing will be a huge problem, though. "Fake leaving" probably ought to be folded into a more general "don't cause pointless drama" rule that can cover more cases of pointless drama.

>and cameltoes and boners on characters above age 20.
Why 20 and not 18?

>•• Terms that are used informally on 4chan, like "faggot" and "kill yourself", will be taken at face value on Fillychan, unless if used in jest when a thread is discussing 4chan or similar chans.
"Taken at face" value as in against the rules? Because you can't really control with rules whether or not posters will take insults at face value.

>••• To describe someone as a nazist, communist, fascist or Jewish, this someone actually has to be proven to be either of the four.
...Why those four in particular? Lumping "Jewish" in with those other ones as if you're equating them seems pretty damn insulting. I hope you are not doing that.

>>399
>Didn't we already have a thread discussing possible rules? Could've just used that one.
Perhaps I should, but it kind of felt so... tainted, by the fact that that thread had roots back to the 4chan ad for Fillychan.

>I'm not sure if this specific thing will be a huge problem, though. "Fake leaving" probably ought to be folded into a more general "don't cause pointless drama" rule that can cover more cases of pointless drama.
Okay, so I do not estimate that that will be a problem on Fillychan at all. But I do remember Ponychan of 2013 and 2014, which had so gigantically screwed up cases of goodbye threads, that I just won't let that sort of problems pop up on Fillychan too. It may not have been a problem on 4chan, but it was a huge problem for me!

>Why 20 and not 18?
Because a lot of anime art or anime sources is of characters who could in theory be past 18, but which either looks younger than that, or who is even difficult to judge whether they're above 18 at all. I wanted to play it safe.

>"Taken at face" value as in against the rules? Because you can't really control with rules whether or not posters will take insults at face value.
I was thinking "face value" as in that since they are insultments in regular IRL use, they would be insultments on Fillychan too. Although you and apparently also Zejgar have a ton of 4chan experience, while I rank polite discourse above all else on the internet.

>...Why those four in particular? Lumping "Jewish" in with those other ones as if you're equating them seems pretty damn insulting. I hope you are not doing that.
No, no, it was not my intention to have it as insulting at all. I thought of it more as to prevent 4channers coming with comments such as "Filly Funtasia is a pile of communist evilness", and a tonne of 4channers would also attempt comments like "Filly Funtasia is a pile of Jewish goyim evilness" (Not my own opinions!). It's to prevent others from misusing terms that they love to misuse in disastrous ways.

In fact, one could basically summarise most of my rule ideas as "Prevent 4chan, 8chan and /anon/ from getting a foothold on Fillychan at absolutely all costs", heh...

>>400
>Perhaps I should, but it kind of felt so... tainted, by the fact that that thread had roots back to the 4chan ad for Fillychan.
Really now. I was hoping to forge some sort of understanding here and create a place with some kind of imageboard cultural syncretism that is acceptable to most people, but it appears I was very naive and underestimated how very entrenched people are in their internet tribalism.

>Because a lot of anime art or anime sources is of characters who could in theory be past 18, but which either looks younger than that, or who is even difficult to judge whether they're above 18 at all. I wanted to play it safe.
But why would judging whether a character is 20 be any easier? A depiction of an anime character is just a drawing and thus it doesn't really have any age, so I think it's more reasonable to instead simply disallow drawings that seem to depict child-like characters sexually. (I do think that that is also the language the law uses when banning such drawings in Sweden. The server for the site is in New York. I think lolicon is completely legal there and the server host allows porn, so while there is probably no legal reason to ban it, we might as well do so anyway to avoid any /yeh/-like shenanigans here)

>I was thinking "face value" as in that since they are insultments in regular IRL use, they would be insultments on Fillychan too. Although you and apparently also Zejgar have a ton of 4chan experience, while I rank polite discourse above all else on the internet.
Yes, but you can't specify in a rule how people should feel about things. It's silly to try and create a rule that says people should consider some statements to be insults, they'll consider them whatever they want. You can still specify that the RULES consider such statements insults and that they therefore are disallowed, but that's a completely different thing.

>"Filly Funtasia is a pile of Jewish goyim evilness" (Not my own opinions!)
You know, a goyim is someone who isn't a Jew, so a "Jewish goyim" is an oxymoron. Anyway, that rule is way too specific, a hypothetical evildoer would just pick a word that isn't on the list and then we have to add more and more words to it until there's a hundred words on it. Could probably just make do with a general "no making unfounded accusations against people" rule. Actually, your examples would probably be covered under a general rule against trolling, too.

>In fact, one could basically summarise most of my rule ideas as "Prevent 4chan, 8chan and /anon/ from getting a foothold on Fillychan at absolutely all costs", heh...
Yeah, I'll have to disagree with that sentiment entirely. It'd be nice to attract some people from the old 4chan Filly threads here, though it appears that they're pretty much all gone and/or don't care that much nowadays. I managed to find one guy, but it looks like he's moved on. That's sad. It's nice to see the regular old circle here but I really don't want to contribute to creating a culture meant to exclude people. The fandom is already tiny enough as it is, there's really no reason why it should be impossible to be at least somewhat accommodating to most people who stumble upon this site.

>>401
I am getting a feeling that I've screwed up with this thread, so I hope I can discuss and compromise my way out of this situation...

>Could probably just make do with a general "no making unfounded accusations against people" rule. Actually, your examples would probably be covered under a general rule against trolling, too.
>You can still specify that the RULES consider such statements insults and that they therefore are disallowed, but that's a completely different thing.
>so while there is probably no legal reason to ban [so I think it's more reasonable to instead simply disallow drawings that seem to depict child-like characters sexually.], we might as well do so anyway to avoid any /yeh/-like shenanigans here
I can get behind having more simplified and wide rules such as these, so I will hereby support them. That is, as long as the rules can be used to moderate the board.

(Almost since its beginning, Ponychan had huge problems with its rules being very wide, and the resulting big greyzones were virtually never moderated against. In addition, the one guy who was very strict on greyzones {!!Trixie} was possibly even worse than the other mods.)

>You know, a goyim is someone who isn't a Jew, so a "Jewish goyim" is an oxymoron.
Okay, you're right on that, I remember now how that joke(?) went.

>Really now. I was hoping to forge some sort of understanding here and create a place with some kind of imageboard cultural syncretism that is acceptable to most people, but it appears I was very naive and underestimated how very entrenched people are in their internet tribalism.
>It's nice to see the regular old circle here but I really don't want to contribute to creating a culture meant to exclude people. The fandom is already tiny enough as it is, there's really no reason why it should be impossible to be at least somewhat accommodating to most people who stumble upon this site.
Uh... then, uh, I guess we've been on different paths for a while, as I've been advocating isolationism and reasonable discoursing for roughly five or six months by now. And such things as rule-abiding and fair online discussions are more or less hard-coded into me.

What could I really say now... it's just that, when I see Fillychan, Fillychanthread, Twitter, Brohoof's Filly thread, Club Filly pre-Victory Day, Filly Wikia pre-taking-the-piss, and in most instances Funtasia Daily, I feel very happy for having found the small unique corner of the internet that is the most polite, the most willing to be friendly to other polite people, and the most verticular in discussions. When I see other chans, I feel some kind of pain: 95% of their discourses are tired-to-death memes, the most loved posters are the most dramatic and evil posters, and they always believe that their own opinions are the only correct one and scolds other people for believing in what is actually correct. It's like if one were to compare character behaviours in G3 Ponyland to those in Equestria.

We could need more posters, but then I honest to Sparkle don't think that appealing to 4chan is the most right idea. As you say, most of them has "pretty much all gone and/or don't care that much nowadays.", and I have so little faith in them that I think they would screw up every chance they'd get to behave well on Fillychan. I am in think beginning to think that we should rather attempt appealing to 00's/10's toy collectors and preschool-cartoon fansites, and rename Fillychan as Filly Forums, although those are perhaps very large and dislikeable suggestions to make.

Those last three paragraphs didn't end up being compromising at all, but think I've got feelings now that are popping out of my pores whether I would want it to or not...

>>409
>Uh... then, uh, I guess we've been on different paths for a while, as I've been advocating isolationism and reasonable discoursing for roughly five or six months by now. And such things as rule-abiding and fair online discussions are more or less hard-coded into me.
No, I can't say I agree with isolationist sentiments at all, especially considering it's a tiny and shrinking fandom.

>We could need more posters, but then I honest to Sparkle don't think that appealing to 4chan is the most right idea.
That's the largest place to find people willing to post on imageboards, but I mainly want to appeal to whoever stumbles upon this place and finds an interest in its material. It's not really possible to appeal to everyone but it'd be nice to do something that is at least acceptable to as many people as possible.

>preschool-cartoon fansites
I didn't know these existed.

>rename Fillychan as Filly Forums
That's silly, this is an imageboard and not a western forum by the fact that its functionality is that of an imageboard, so it'd just be an inaccurate name.

>>415
>I didn't know these existed.
On Fillychanthread, I have RaichuWizDom's words on that Nick Jr.'s Paw Patrol has an adult following. That's the only evidence I have.

>>409
>>396

I think we can put as first rule "Don't be a idiot". Just for say "use the common sense", then explain that in details. :D

Beside that: I could indicate the common Netiquette (that cover the common points) + no gore + porn + insults + only-adult +18 things.

I have no issues to adult/sick humor, until don't fall to +18 /porn side.

>>401

>Really now. I was hoping to forge some sort of understanding here and create a place with some kind of imageboard cultural syncretism that is acceptable to most people, but it appears I was very naive and underestimated how very entrenched people are in their internet tribalism.

I stay on different groups/comunity from long time, and I can tell you that the most present and old users are those who impress a personality and surroundings in the comunity-site itself. Same-minded people hang with same-minded peoples, so maybe is better ask what kind of peoples we want here...

Rules can be very simple, overall the netiquette cover the most basic issues ("Don't be stupid"), the rest is what the comunity itself think appropriate for themselves. Who don't like, can go somewhere else...

So I can suggest that don't worry too much about "much" people attract, but "which". Set the rules fitting the needs and interests.

>>409
>>415

I can propose again my idea:
* A space only for fan-arts/fanfic, to make them easy to find.
* A space for cartoon/"cartoon horse" stuff in general/toys, for who want seek other things in the same branch.

Including a space for larger themes could help to "keep" on the site both new and old poster, that find there a space to talk for what they like.

I agree you both for the question of where find new users.
While agree that this site needs new poster, and is not important where they comes, I agree also that is better avoid 4chan and similar sites, becouse these have not the target audience that I think interest the actual comunity. These sites host a target audience that is interest only in the fandom, not outside things, and with the peoples (and drama) associated; is the comunity aspect that make them hang there.

They will NOT look other things, neither with (cartoon) equine theme similar to FiM, becose these are NOT labelled as Brony. Yeah, they are more attached to a label, not to a theme.

Probably you can find some persons there that "could" be interested, but I think is a minority.

If you want the curiosity of guys like me, that can talk not only of Funtasia, you need a space that share also some interest with the main argoument of Filly, toy or cartoons, becouse my mindset is not follow a "fandom" or "social group", but follow a hobby/theme/argoument.

I suggest to point more in the field of cartoons in general, toys and anthro stuff (but NOT furry, they are "worse" than bronies on what is outside their comunity/subculture). These things are three points touched by Fillys.


There is another question about "fandoms", that in USA are lived differently from there in Europe. Without fall in complex things, while in Europe is just a way to say "I like X", in USA/Canada is a way to isolate themselves from other groups: for that you see their fandoms which can't tolleate nothing else that is different from them, thing that in Europe (and expecially if you ask to me that I'm Italian) is very silly. No offence for my American friends, these are just cultural differences.
The question is that while a share of the american fans probably really don't care, no matter how "close" a thing can be to FiM, another part will do.

>>427
>I think we can put as first rule "Don't be a idiot". Just for say "use the common sense", then explain that in details. :D

>Beside that: I could indicate the common Netiquette (that cover the common points) + no gore + porn + insults + only-adult +18 things.
Sounds quite reasonable to me!

>* A space only for fan-arts/fanfic, to make them easy to find.
>* A space for cartoon/"cartoon horse" stuff in general/toys, for who want seek other things in the same branch.
Hmm, that could be a good idea. I could make two new boards about that.

>Probably you can find some persons there that "could" be interested, but I think is a minority.
I think this is going to be the case on basically every brony website, sadly.

>>427
>(...). Same-minded people hang with same-minded peoples, so maybe is better ask what kind of peoples we want here...
I've followed the "similar kids play the best" principle, as a saying in Norway goes. When I saw people like HareTrinity and Zejgar be very similar to me (especially Zejgar, who is a near-carbon clone of me), I realised I wanted to hang out with them very tightly. To use a comparison that few besides Zejgar would get: I much prefer the friendship morals in Twinkle Wish Adventures instead of Lalaloopsy Ponies.

I can imagine some groups I would want here on Fillychan, and a few I wouldn't want. Toy collectors seem mostly nice to me, but only if those collectors also keep an eye on their collection franchises' recent cartoons. Anyone who watches girls' or <7yrs cartoons without pulling the "Just because my daughter watches it" (whether they have one or not), are also those I can have in mind. People who want cartoon discussions forum-style but with pictures and free name changing added to it? If they are out there, let's reach out to them.

I may be negative to bronies, but fans of shows like Ever After High and Winx Club aren't my preferred cup of tea due to their very strong focus on shippings (Just look at a EAH YouTube comment area anytime you'd like). I also turn my cold shoulder to anime fans due to the shipping, lolis, their dumb arguments as to why Western cartoons "suck", and extremely rampant piracy of TV shows.

>A space for cartoon/"cartoon horse" stuff in general/toys, for who want seek other things in the same branch.
I'll second this board idea.

>They will NOT look other things, neither with (cartoon) equine theme similar to FiM, becose these are NOT labelled as Brony. Yeah, they are more attached to a label, not to a theme.
Can I second this notion too, or would that just be rude of me?

>I suggest to point more in the field of cartoons in general,
Can I suggest putting vetos on appealing to fanbases of AtlA, Wander over Yonder and Total Drama? From what I know of them, they are fans of their favourite cartoons for all the wrong reasons.

>Without fall in complex things, while in Europe is just a way to say "I like X", in USA/Canada is a way to isolate themselves from other groups: for that you see their fandoms which can't tolleate nothing else that is different from them, thing that in Europe (and expecially if you ask to me that I'm Italian) is very silly. No offence for my American friends, these are just cultural differences.
I've never thought of it that way before. About 90% of the sharply US-dominated brony fandom seem like cults, with cliques, external and internal distrust, and fandom bosses *hark*Seth*sneeze* who just add megaphones to up the cult level. About 95% of the Filly fandom, where every single one in major roles are European and/or Russian, are more "Let's discuss the things we like and share positive things.".

>>428
>Sounds quite reasonable to me!
I can get behind it too! But what about that secret porn board that you added when the site was created? If it's deserted (I don't really know, as I haven't looked there), should we go the long extra mile and remove that board from Fillychan?

>>429
>Can I suggest putting vetos on appealing to fanbases of AtlA, Wander over Yonder and Total Drama? From what I know of them, they are fans of their favourite cartoons for all the wrong reasons.
How? If the answer is "banning all discussion of that", then no, I don't think that's a good idea.

>I can get behind it too! But what about that secret porn board that you added when the site was created? If it's deserted (I don't really know, as I haven't looked there), should we go the long extra mile and remove that board from Fillychan?
It's already been emptied for a long time now, it was really a temporary measure when I thought the influx of visitors would be much larger than it became (the activity on /mlp/ really has dropped a lot, sadly), I emptied it out as soon as it became evident there was no lasting need for it.

>>431
>How? If the answer is "banning all discussion of that", then no, I don't think that's a good idea.
No, it's not that. But I assume that will have to reach out to our possible target groups in some or another way, be it with buying ads or by making contact notes on whichever forum-collection sites people use to find new forums (or other chatting places) to chat on. Basically, if we opt for buying ads on cartoon sites, we could simply not buy ads on sites that are specifically about those three cartoons. That was what I meant.

I'm also getting slightly tired that you always assume the worst of what my statements could possibly mean.

>It's already been emptied for a long time now, it was really a temporary measure when I thought the influx of visitors would be much larger than it became (the activity on /mlp/ really has dropped a lot, sadly), I emptied it out as soon as it became evident there was no lasting need for it.
Aaaaah, then I know that now! That's really all I was wondering about with that board, from what I remember of myself.

>>432
>I'm also getting slightly tired that you always assume the worst of what my statements could possibly mean.

I'm sorry if you felt I accused you of something. Since this is a thread about rule suggestions, I wanted to ask if that meant you wanted some kind of rule to deliberately make this place unappealing for those people.

>But I assume that will have to reach out to our possible target groups in some or another way, be it with buying ads or by making contact notes on whichever forum-collection sites people use to find new forums (or other chatting places) to chat on. Basically, if we opt for buying ads on cartoon sites, we could simply not buy ads on sites that are specifically about those three cartoons.
I'll have to admit I haven't really considered doing any more "active" outreach.

>forum-collection sites
My experience of forum directories is that the number of people who actually use them is very very small nowadays.